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803.07 Interference

A. A thrown disc that hits another player, spectator, or animal shall be played where it comes to rest. A thrown disc that is intentionally deflected or was caught and moved shall be marked as close as possible to the point of contact, as determined by a majority of the group or an official. Alternatively, for intentional interference only, the thrower has the option of taking a re-throw. Players shall not stand or leave their equipment where interference with the flight or path of a disc could easily occur. The away player may require other players to mark their lies or move their equipment before making a throw if the player believes that either could interfere with his or her throw.

B. If a disc at rest on the playing surface or supported by the target is moved, the disc shall be replaced as close as possible to its original location, as determined by a majority of the group or an official. If a marker disc is moved, the marker disc shall be replaced as close as possible to its original location, as determined by a majority of the group or an official. (If the two meter penalty is in effect See also 803.08 C and D for movement of a disc above the playing surface.)

C. Any player who consciously alters the course of a thrown disc, or consciously moves or obscures another player's thrown disc at rest or a marker disc, other than by the action of a competitively thrown disc or in the process of identification, shall receive two penalty throws, without a warning, if observed by any two players or an official.

BigBrotherPenton · Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 1:26 pm Post subject:

This one's for Serge. wink

Roxie · Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 1:40 pm Post subject:

Shoulda called him as soon as he pulled in and parked sly wink

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BigBrotherPenton · Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 2:08 pm Post subject:

Roxie · Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 2:09 pm Post subject:

...and what was the call?
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surge · Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 2:13 pm Post subject:

Nothing was intentional though, it all happened in a nanosecond. I only wish I could react that fast. laughing

surge · Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 2:15 pm Post subject:

Mike said it left your hands and that's a throw, my next throw was for three.

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BigBrotherPenton · Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 2:34 pm Post subject:

C. Any player who consciously alters the course of a thrown disc, or consciously moves or obscures another player's thrown disc at rest or a marker disc, other than by the action of a competitively thrown disc or in the process of identification, shall receive two penalty throws, without a warning, if observed by any two players or an official.

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Roxie · Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 2:39 pm Post subject:

This is a wierd one. How do you catch something if you do not intend on catch it. Do reactions count as intent? Obviously he didn't intend to catch it, or did he?

The rule does not specifically talk about your own interference on your discs flight. Which makes me think it might fall under another rule. Either way I am thinking a penalty should have been assesed for hitting a tree 2 feet in front of you laughing

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BigBrotherPenton · Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 2:39 pm Post subject:

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BigBrotherPenton · Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 2:47 pm Post subject:

No idea. Just sent an email to the rule-dudes.

BigBrotherPenton · Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 8:15 am Post subject:

This was sent from John Chapman.

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Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2009 12:27:21 PM
Subject: Re: Rules Commitee: Interference

Geoff,

To me, this is a violation of 803.07C, and the player would receive a 2-throw penalty, and I would make this ruling on the basis that the player caught the disc. Whether instinctively or not, he made an active attempt to interfere with the flight of the disc, even if this really wasn't his intent. If the disc simply hit the player because it was moving too fast for him to get out of the way, I would rule that there is no penalty.

However, all that being said, I could see how an official or TD might rule that the player did not "consciously" alter the flight of the disc, as it was probably more of a defense mechanism than anything. While I wouldn't rule that way, I could see a TD or official interpreting the rule that way.

Cheers,

John Chapman

BigBrotherPenton · Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 8:16 am Post subject:

And this from Conrad:
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It's a little odd that the rule switches language from "intentionally" to "consciously". If you interpret "consciously" as "intentionally", I think it's implied that the intent is to benefit the player. The word "instinctively" doesn't convey intent. If the disc were caught in apparent self-defense, I'd rule that there's no penalty. However, if the player (for example) reached out to one side to catch the disc, I'd rule that that was conscious/intentional, however instinctive it may have been, and assess the penalty.

My guess is that ball golf always penalizes a player for touching his ball, and intent doesn't figure into it. That's certainly cleaner.

Fortunately, this sort of situation should be extremely rare.

-Conrad

burjwahzeh · Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 8:47 am Post subject:

Whoa.

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Roxie · Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 11:56 am Post subject:

I think you would count as one of the players observing.
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